The United States has stopped shipping equipment related to the F-35 fighter jet to Turkey. Washington’s move comes after Ankara insisted on purchasing the Russian S-400 missile defense system.

Turkey has only received one unit of the fifth-generation fighter jet thus far. But all current and future shipments of equipment related to the aircraft have been halted, Pentagon said, unless Ankara gives up its commitment to take delivery of a Russian S-400 missile defense system.

US President Donald Trump signed a bill last year blocking the transfer of F-35 fighter jets to Turkey, but the F-35 Joint Program Office said it would execute the transfer according to existing plans. Four US Senators introduced another bipartisan bill last week to prohibit the transfer until Ankara agrees to abandon the S-400 deal.

A NATO ally of the US, Turkey was planning on ordering 100 F-35s, and had signed on to produce fuselage and other components for the next-generation aircraft.

However, US lawmakers moved to exclude Turkey from the program, fearing Turkey’s planned purchase of the Russian-made S-400 air defense system could give the Russian system opportunity to learn how to track and spot the jet.

At present, the deal remains on the table. “The contract with Russia on S-400s remains in force and these defensive systems will be delivered to Turkey. Now talks on this issue are underway,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu stated on Friday, according to Russian news agency TASS.

The first of four S-400 batteries will be delivered to Turkey this July. Washington has thus far failed to woo its NATO ally away from the Russian system and to Raytheon’s more expensive Patriot system.

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Turkey has been a vital partner in the F-35 program, which itself has been plagued by cost overruns, delays and performance issues while being the US military’s most expensive project to date.

Turkey has been making parts of fuselage, landing gear and cockpit displays for the jets and has invested some $1.25 billion in the trillion-dollar program. Despite Turkey’s integral role, US officials told Reuters last week that Washington can press ahead without the Turkish components, although doing so will drive the cost of the project up further.

The first F-35 jet was delivered to Turkey in a ceremony in Texas in June. Throughout the dispute, Turkish pilots have been training on the F-35 at an airbase in Arizona since last July.

 

 

Source: RT

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Turkey should return the single received F 35 and ask the US for a $1.25 billion reimbursement for not fulfilling a contract.

p.s. The F 35 is much over-hyped by its advocators. Turkey will and cannot wage war against a world class opponent even in the vicinity.
Even if the F 35 is as good as its hype. For Turkey the F 35 remains a white elephant.

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No, Turkey should sold the exemplar to Russia, for 1.25 billion $ if US do not buy the parts of F35 build in Turkey.

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They would if only they had one.

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Turkey received none : this one was “delivered” at the factory, pilots started to train in the USA.
I confirm F-35 being over-hyped.

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In fact, it first won’t be fully operational until 2023-2025 if no further delays and it’s NOT a multirole aircraft, the name of the program is JSF : Joint STRIKE Fighter.

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“If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22”- Gen. Michael Hostage, boss of USAF Air Combat Command

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Once fully operational (2023-2025 if no further delays), it may be interesting as a replacement for Harrier, F-117 and A-6 Intruder… If you’re OK to spend $15M/year/unit in maintenance

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Once fully operational (2023-2025 if no further delays), it may be interesting as a replacement for Harrier, F-117 and A-6 Intruder…

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Won’t be fully operational before 2023-2025 if no further delays

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Won’t be fully operational before 2023-2025 if no further delays

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@Daeshbags-Sux, to return it to the factory is even easier in the US.

And what is the potential enemy the Sultan has in mind?
He only needs that plane if he plans adventures against well armed countries.

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He may want to attack Israel or seize Greek islands… This would be totally foolish, F-35 or not, but with bigots, you never know. There’s another option : considering the economy…

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The only valuable “prey” which he may attack without it backfiring the hard way he may consider is… Iran…

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@Daeshbags-Sux, yes. Modern Shiite Iran – by Turkmens dynasty founded like Turkey – has no public allies. But it is further on its way of military modernization and independence.

But some near by countries may not like Turkey taking spoils from Iran’s gas and oil fields.

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@Daeshbags-Sux, the targets of his irredentist speeches are resource rich areas in Iraq, Syria, Cyprus and the Greek Islands. All have the disadvantage of mostly inimical locals: Kurds, Greeks … – that would increase minorities. He will try to take hold off any that he considers isolated or week.

He feels he owns part of Cyprus assets and the Greek shelf. I doubt that he fathoms who would oppose when the 90 million Sultanate takes on such midgets to get what “truly belongs to the Turkish people”.

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Huhu, as soon you get an “E” version, you get a degraded military asset, that’s what the Russians call “Monkey Models”. Remember the $4.5M MiG-29 exported in the 80’s?

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Radar with only 60% range, no IRST, only short range IR missiles. The T-72 “E” sold to Saddam were pure cräp too, etc. I have no idea what Su-57E features will

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be, but surely won’t be on par with Russian ones and even less with Indian ones, hadn’t India backed out : FGFA was to cost double of the Russian version…

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And since India pulled out saying Su-57 not reaching expectancies while IAF air-marshall who tried Rafale has a hard on at it and highly praises it…

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if I have no doubt the Russian version may be very capable and the Indian planned one might have been too, but adventurism with “Monkey Models”…

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was never a lucky choice. If the Greeks upgrade their Mirage-2000 with Rafale’s systems (OSF-IT, SPECTRA, RBE2/AESA), Meteor+MICA…

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Better not be in a Su-57E, you may end with a very very bad surprise with your degraded ‘export’ systems. The good point with S-400 and Su-57E :

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No Link-16 => no interfacing with the E-7 AWACS and other “legacy” NATO systems. It’s an advantage if it happens we have to”take care” of Erdogan…

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Why sell state of the art planes to an enemy?

Turkey should be expelled fron Nato. Let them be happy with their new Russian friends.

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Turkey is an enemy, Russia not, they’re even doing us a favour since without them, we would have no excuse to trash arms contracts with the Sultan.

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@Karel, right. Plus Turkey is a dictatorship.
While Russia is a democracy.
Can they be friends?

The EU countries have many common interests with Russia.

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In fact, the stupid US pressure on Russia is bad for everybody, and yup, EU and Russia are natural allies and we do very well with Russia as long as the Yanks don’t interfere.

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Now I’m not sure we can call Russia a democracy, it’s more a mixed kind of governance, Putin looks more like a Tsar in the “Peter the Great” range and I doubt he’ll leave the office

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until being to old to rule, be sure he’ll switch from Prez to PM to prez again and usually, even if he’s not implies, it may rapidly smell fir (the most common wood for coffins here)

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for those challenging his ruling, now, at the same time, he’s obviously one of the most competent heads of state on Earth and he’ll be really

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necessary as long Russia won’t be fully on tracks, moreover, he really works at improving the country and it’s a bit a pity when some western leaders dare to lecture Russia

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While they won’t say anything about some very dubious “friends”we have, e.g. USA sells weapons to 36-37 of the 49 dictatorships on Earth…

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@Daeshbags-Sux, sellin weapons even to dictators is good for US business. Which is only competitive in electronics and weapons related.

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@Daeshbags-Sux, Russia has democratic structures. Why should a capable and democratically reelected “Czar” leave?

Much of the electorate love and profit from his able governance.

p.s. Germany’s capable Kanzlers also achieved long tenures.

Also lock at the UK in the 19th century. Good Prime Ministers lasted long. Not like the ephemeral c**p that rules there now.

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Would be the F35 not so wonderfull? A flying brick, that could be seen?

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Won’t be fully operational before 2023-2025 if no further delays. It’s a strike aircraft to replace Harrier, Intruder and F-117.

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Let’s say there is the good, the bad and the ugly within. It’d be very long to explain. If you see it as a successor to Harrier, F-117 and A-6, if we except the price, cost of use and

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the fact it can’t perform more than 0.4 missions per 24h, it may becomee interesting once fully operational, which it won’t still be for 4-6 years… Now the big question : will LockMart manage to improve

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the fact it can’t perform more than 0.4 missions per 24h, it may becomee interesting once fully operational, which it won’t still be for 4-6 years…

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it can’t perform more than 0.4 missions per 24h

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May becomee interesting once fully operational, but won’t b4 for 4-6 years (if ever) : still many flaws to fix and improve.

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May become interesting once fully operational

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in fact, and still will be so for 4-6y, they’re selling a prototype/pre-serie aircraft!

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Many points/flaws still have to be fixed/improved…Now, if what you are looking for is a multirole or an air-superiority asset, you have it all wrong, it’s a little like…

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When Brits made an air-defence version for the Tornado : a cow don’t make ham, you’d need 8 F-35 to do the job of 2..

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Rafale or F-22 when it comes to air superiority. And if you have Rafale, you don’t need F-35. Now since it’d had been too expensive to

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make F-22 multirole, the idea behind JSF program was to complete it with a cheap $50M stealth strike aircraft.

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The Boeing X-32 demonstrator would have done the job better and there were few improvement to do to make it operational. Maybe its cartoonesque look while

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The Boeing X-32 demonstrator would have done the job better and there were few improvement to do to make it operational.

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Had they opted for X-32, it’d be fully OK for long as it already was a prototype rather than a demonstrator, unlike X-35

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The Boeing demonstrator would have made it easily, I suppose Lockheed lobbied like h**l, doing tremendous promises, and well,

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Boeing was way more realistic in its project…

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I suppose LM came with awesome promises, especially with jobs in all US states and serious corporate funding of electoral campaigns..

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I suppose LM came with awesome promises of jobs in all US states and serious corporate funding of electoral campaigns

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Now the problem was Congress banning the F-22 export, so now, to not lose the export market, LM needed to make the strike aircraft becoming multirole…

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and then the nightmare began… It’s the frog wanting to become as big as the ox syndrome.